Take pride in AeSI

Hi everybody

 

Once again I will be posting a mail that Bishnujee has posted in the aesi club. I liked the stuff and appreciate the work being done for the aesi folks. A big thank you to him and other for working towards that…..

 

So without much adieu here’s the mail. I have highlighted the portion I liked best and believe in.

 

“

Thanks for your highlighted problems.There has been numerous reasons behind very low pass percentage.Poor teaching and training centres and adequate facilities not at disposal to AeSI Students.I had been in AeSI Program after my fresh pass out after Matriculation and so had to pass AeSI Studentship along with Sec A & B.That has 5 subjects of AeSI Studentship along with Sec A & B.Those days in mid 90s IIT Chennai numerous Staffs from Aerospace Dept used to actively support teaching and training program for AeSI Coursework.So we used to have best of teaching stuffs.Things have changed since these professors retired from IIT Chennai and now AeSI students have to deal with new modified syllabus course work which cannot be completed in decent time frame unless teaching and practical facilities of University level is provided to AeSI Students.I don't know whether this was discussed by AeSI Governing council when they decided to go for new syllabus.Until this problem is resolved passing percntage will continue to remain low.

 

Also Students joining AeSI program should be recommended that they have certain pre-requisite course work upto certain standard level to pursue the program.Students shouldn't forget that the AeSI program and career they are entering into is application of Physics and Mathematics stuffs.Unless they are very strong in these subjects there success rate will be low.

 

Even those AeSI Students who are passing out with less than 60% should have decent career option after same and this stuffs need to be reviewed by AeSI Officials with Universities under UGC in India and also with recruitement official of Indian Aerospace firms.I am sure that they could come up with some sort of decision which would help the students Graduating out to pursue decent career.

 

AeSI Students and Graduates along with AeSI Officials are requested to co-ordinate with each other to promote and have better future for AeSI Students & Graduate and these can only be resolved by mutual discussion and better co-ordination.There will be no progress by criticising each other and self destructive crticism of AeSI and its officials.AeSI Students and Graduates should bear in mind that there identity is through being AeSI Graduate and if they don't take pride in whatever they are doing with AeSI,then no one would be respecting them and they would never be able to grow.

 

As all of you must be aware that currently I am involved with Engineers Mobility Forum in UK & USA and Professional Licensing Board in USA to ensure that all Indian Qualifications are recognised at same level as any of the local US & UK Qualifications.Things have been going out in favourable direction and we hope the future should be better for new generation.

 

AM Qualification should be covered with concurrence Bachelor Degree in Engineering and this is urgent need of hour and AeSI Officials should look into this matter seriously and I am sure that there is no better person that Air Cmde Raghubir Singh to take up this issue with AeSI Officials.

 

I would actively request all AeSI Students & Graduates to support Air Cmde Singh in his mission for growth of AeSI program and I believe he understands all of you people concern better than many other people in Aerospace Industry and I would be glad to see him in AeSI Academic wing in time to come.

 

“

 

 

AeSI hidding information !!!

I will tell you something unique about the results this time. But before I will tell you about it I would like to share what happened in the AeSI AGM in cochin!! As most of you, who follow OURAeSI, may know that Air Cmde Raghubir Singh gave a presentation on "Making AMAeSI a Viable option” in the AGM held at Kochi on 18 Feb 07, where he sited the passing percentage of the students in each subject.

 

The presentation had engaged the attention of all the members including G Madhavan Nair. The paper cited POF and other subjects passing percentages and brought the attention of aesi members on the exam passing figures. Even I am documenting those figures for 3 years and have the lists on the passing percentage but now if you have looked at the results published for June 2007, aesi has conspicuously removed that appeared and passed section from its result.

 

Only thing they now display is the passing students roll number and their corresponding marks?

 

So what do you all make of this? Why is aesi hiding those numbers? Is this the effect of embarrassment that they felt when this figures were pointed out in the AGM? Is this information hiding correct? Aren't we entitled to know those numbers?

 

Please have you say.... I will be emailing aesi to publish those figures. I think being transparent and accountable is the way to go for any body, this way of hiding information doesn't increase my confidence in aesi!

 

How to pass AeSI papers? - open question to all

Just received a distraught and passionate mail from a section a
student. He said aesi examination question pattern isn't suited for
Indian environment. He argued that instead of subjective paper, Aesi
papers should be objective. He also doubted that there is something
wrong in the the checking of aesi answer sheets.

Well I have to admit, many students including myself have doubted the
checking system of answer sheets by AeSI. At some point of time, we
have wondered what happened to our marks when we were sure we have
done a great job in the examination hall.

I guess the reason for this doubt is the opaque wall that aesi has
put. We don't have access to the checked papers and this non
transparency raises out doubts, which are magnified when we get bad
results.

Now when I look back at those semesters where I felt Mr Goyal had some
evil hand in failing me, I think somewhere I was also responsible.

Examinations are not about telling what you know. It's about giving
relevant answers to the questions asked. It's not about spilling
whatever you know, on paper, but giving the right and accurate
information required by the question.

Brief and to the point answers are Indicators of your understanding of
the question.

Well these topic is open to lot of discussions, so I open this
question to all of you. What do think about this? Do feel free to
comment.

More on passing aesi exams at http://my-aesi.blogspot.com/search?q=tips+exam&max-results=100

What are your AeSI eureka and rude shock subjects?

Today I was asking myself what were the best exams in my AeSI tenure? Which exams I was very confident and I did well and got out well. Knowing AeSI , you won't be surprised that the list can’t be long so here's my short list of the subjects which I felt of clearing 100% while getting out of the exam hall and did so. I call them Eureka subjects!!

 

• Thermodynamics
• Strength of material
• Workshop technology
• Propulsion 3
• Aerodyanamiocs-1
• Mathematics -iii
• Mechanics of fluid

 

That’s it. Honestly I didn't expect the list to make it to number 7!!! Let me tell you that these were not the only subjects that I felt I will pass when I came out of the exams hall. There were many times when I had these feeling that I will pass but these were the subjects in which my confidence of passing and AeSI's confidence in me coincided and I cleared the subjects!!!

 

 

What about the other way round? Now let me list out of the subjects that I was absolutely sure of passing and AeSI gave me the rude shock!!!

 

• Principles of flight (not one time but twice, giving me a teasing 47 and 49 marks respectively )

 

• VMD - this is the biggest shock aesi ever gave me. Expecting 80 and got measly 38!! Even to this day I can't figure how? Even a re-checking request didn't swell the marks above 38, but surely gobbled my dad's 100 bucks that I sent for rechecking!!

 

• Workshop technology - when I gave it the first time. Anyways this was my second exam of the AeSI that I gave. And incidentally this was the first tremor of aesi in my life J

 

 

 

That's it! In the other exams I could ascertain the failures to my mistakes and in some case I am not sure but I give AeSI benefit of doubt!!

 

The subject in which I did most blunders were Mathematics -II its the subject of blunders for me. I intend to write something about this in future post,.

 

Anyway do let me know what were your eureka subjects and rude-shock subjects during your term in AeSI. Would love to know!!

 

 

Confidence + degree + skills = job

In my earlier post I have mentioned the above formula and said after AeSI, this is the recipe for landing a job. I ventured that if one can develop this 3 while studying for AeSI then you need no training and he or she is ready for the job,

In this post I would like to talk more about it and go in depth of what I meant by each of the term.


Confidence!

What is confidence? Confidence is your belief in yourself. It’s the belief that you are able to take on the work assigned to you. It’s the belief that you are able to apply your knowledge to get results. So how can an AeSI student build his confidence? First it’s passing his or her degree, that's one major confidence booster. IF you have passed with honest effort, you are already on your way of being confidence. It comes with preparation.

For me passing 4 subjects at one go was a major boost to my confidence. In section B, first semester I took up propulsion 1, 2, 3 and aerodynamics 1 as my subjects and studied for them, and did a marathon study along with Natrajan sir!!! And after my last semester, without waiting for the results to be announced I came to Bangalore and joined NAL as an unpaid training. This was best decision that I took in regards to AeSI and it really paved and concreted my confidence. It showed me the knowledge that AeSI has imparted us.

Confidence comes by preparation. By honestly studying for the exams, and getting all fundamentals and basics in your fingertips. Confidence comes with seeing the results of your efforts.

Wikipedia has a good post regarding how to build confidence. Read it and most importantly apply the points!!


The one I liked most is
"Try to make yourself talk positively at all times. When you hear yourself saying you can't do something, stop and say you can. Unless you try, you will never know whether you are able to or not."

Degree
The next part of the equation is degree. Complete the AMAeSI degree. It will enable you to say that you are one of the best aeronautical engineer in india!! Yes Read it here, here and here. It is this degree that enables these persons to say that they are best in the world. And then we all have the biggest inspiration Mr. Bishnujee Singh. He began from AeSI degree. As Shah Rukh Khan says in the recent HP advertisements, think big. Once you have made your mind that you are pursuing the AMAeSI degree. Forget the fact how tactless, careless, unsympathetic AeSI folks are . Be proud of your degree. It’s the only thing that should matter. As I said in my earlier post “tips for getting employed in the aerospace boom”, taking pride in your degree is the most important thing IF you don't respect it NOBODY else will.

Skills.
A company requires person who are not only knowledgeable but the one who can apply that knowledge to some practical work out of which the company benefits. And this is where your skills came. So as mentioned in post titled “things to do in your last semester”, make it a point to know what are the skills that the companies are looking for and began building them in your AeSI days. This is the most important area that you have to work for. In my case I have begun earlier, I knew I had a knack of programming so I began with that skill and set a daily 30 minutes goal for that. I developed it so that it became my prime reason for getting the project trainee job in NAL. I didn't have access to CATIA or other design and analysis software like NASTRAN, ANSYS then, but if I had I am sure I would have chalked out a similar plan for that... So most important thing AeSI students can do first know what skills are needed and when they are in last or 2nd last semester of AeSI, they should begin developing them. Set small challenge and daily goals to accomplish them.


Well this completes the recipe.. If you have all the 3 you are job ready and can hit send to send your resumes along with cover letters and I am sure there's nothing that can stop you from getting that job.

What are your thoughts to this? Do you think there is some other ingredient to it that I missed? Please do share your opinions in the comments.

Why AESI is not up to the mark for me? - an aesi students view

After my recent post on update from aesiaa, I received this email from an aesi student. And I am posting his email here for giving it a wider audience.

I am changing the name for obvious reasons. But the points raised by him are genuine and worth to ponder.

I have sent a brief reply to this email to him, will post the same here, latter this week.

Now over to the student of aesi......

hello sir,

I am tony, AVIONICS stream , cleared 16 papers so far(65.2%). I don't know what to say and what to expect from this email but still you asked me to shoot you a mail, so i'm writing this. When you wrote the last blog , then i got a little carried away
and wrote things that shouldn't be said or atleast the way i put it .

I'm sorry for that, but truely sir what i wrote was straight from the heart and if you think from our student side, then it won't be that wrong if you see.

What AESIAA is doing or trying to do, is very impressive and yes every one has a life and sorry for putting it that
way. What i want is that someone could carry my words to AESI, as i
can't do it myself as long as i haven't completed it, thats it, what i meant when i wrote it . I thing AESI doesnt deserve that kind of pride 'cause of the negligence it shows to students like us,and the lady who picks up the phone she is over smart, i think, don't even know the proper rules,

Why AESI is not up to the mark for me?

1) Absolutely no motivation from their side, u don't get credit on merit , nor deserving students are offered any job after completion, so when there is no motivation how one is supposed to study,

2) very elusive policies and rules, the rules regarding training and projects in sec-b are not clearly mentioned in any written notice, u have to call AESI to seek information and that stupid lady hungs up without even listening to your queries,

3) Syllabus not upto the mark what industry seeks from avionics,
students, nor it is suitable for GATE, we have to study a hell lot extra to cover it up, its not so in case of aero-mechanical though,

4)Wont give authority to any college , like IGNOU so they can train us
the way they want and practical can be included.

5) i don't understand every organisation wants to see its growth , but why not AESI ? its going the other way round, its being decades since
the foundation of AESI, progress is nil not slow,

6) The curriculum does n't encourages quality students, most of the students who are present in AESI are simply 'cause they didn't get
chance in good colleges not like me who want to study aeronautics ,,

7) there is a huge void between passing of 20 papers and getting a job
'cause :-
a) No one knows AESI that well
b) % marks are not good of majority of students
c) no practical knowledge only theoretical, so that effects confidence of the student itself
d) to gain practical knowledge u have to get training from organisations which are mostly unpaid and u have to pay them instead, so that kills time, money ,patience and aesi is not be bothered about it

8) "u are 21 \22 yr u are an engineer and working for a good company "
chances for either of this case or both to occur is tending to 0% i believe

Sir , i have spit it out, i don't know how will you take it but i certainly can't feel proud of an organization which
lacks this qualities, i'm very sorry sir, my apology again.

-Tony

What are your views? Spell them in the comments but let's be nice.

Why are you failing?

If your routine is not working, if you aren't studying, if you aren't
passing aesi exams and if you are not getting any job after so many
interviews then most likely there is one of the following two core
reasons.

Lack of organisation or lack of focus!!

Either the task or the steps towards the goals are not well organised
or there is missing or miss directed focus. Either you climbing the
wrong stairs or you are walking in the rails instead of the steps.

Yes this and only these two reasons can explain why you aren't
acheiving what you want.

Finding the reason is half battle won. So identify which of this is
dominating the ruins of your goals. And then take action to eliminate
it.

That's the only way to hit your targets.

More advice on passing aesi exams at http://my-aesi.blogspot.com/search?q=passing+aesi&max-results=100

Announcement about After-AeSI career guide to AeSI

Here's an announcement. I am going to release the ebook which I have
named 'After-AeSI, career guide to AeSI' in this week.

The ebook is essentially a collections of blog posts that have
appeared in my-aesi till 2008. I have selected those post which I get
most questions from.

From passing aesi, to interviews, from job search to writing cover
letters, I have tried to incorporate the major philosophy of this blog
in one complete ebook. Hope you all will benifit from it.

I completed compiling the ebook long back, but from laptop breakdown
to irratic net connection forced me to delay the launch. I am hoping
that by the end of this week the book will be available for
downloading. So don't forget to check www.my-aesi.blogspot.com this
week!

Analysis of result june 2005

Someone very eloquently put it " Its cold, its calculating. There is
no grey. Its all black or white". She was talking about maths and
statistics. Well that 's the very thing that's attractive about them.
They give answers. Here are the answers, that i got from the analysis
of the results this time, which as you maybe aware i am in the habit
of doing it for the past semesters.

This analysis is my 6th one, and having the data's for the past years
have given a unique perspective to this analysis, as i have compared
them all together as you will see from the graphs.

For the benefit of all those like me who are more akin to figures and
graphs, i have added like last year the magic of excel graphs. Eye
pleasing and informative at the same time. So without much adieu
lets begin.

Section A

a. In section A, as always principal of flights has the lowest passing
percentage. With 7.36% passing that is 7.36 people passing out of 100
hundred who appeared for the exam.

b. Best performance for the last four semesters is of ED, Which has
46.37% pass out this time.

c. Fluids is the subject with most number of student appearing this
time in any subject of section a.

d. The subjects of Thermo, Maths-II, Solids and fluids had more than
1100 student appearing in each! This probably stems from the backlog
that gets created as the students fail in this subjects in previous
semester.

e. 18.125 out of 100 people who had appeared in any subject of section
A has cleared the subjects. This number is fairly constant for the
last semesters as seen from the trend line of

sec a.

f. Of all the semesters, June 2003 has the lowest pass out percentage
in Section A, highest being December 2002 semester.

g. If you look closely at the data, you will see that this is the
first time that any
subjects pass out in Section A has crossed more than 45% and subject
who broke the record is ED.

Section B

a. In propulsion stream, biggest shocker is VMD result which
previously always hovered along 80% pass out line, but this time it
had Nil passing percentage, with no one passing out of 35 who
appeared.

b. Propulsion two is the top scorer of this semester in propulsion
stream with 84.62% passing percentage. This subjects passing
percentage fairly remained close to this 80% line only dip was in June
2004, when it went below 40%!!

c. Math-III is the second best in prop stream, with close to 60+%
passing percentage and many above 70+ marks!!

d. In propulsion I, the passing percentage has declined from 55+% in
December 2002 to 48% this semester.

e. In all propulsion core subjects, propulsion III is always the one
with lowest pass outs and this perhaps explains the maximum number of
students that appeared for it this time in propulsion stream.

f. Structure one is the highest scorer in aerodynamics stream of
section B, with an all time high of 86.21% pass outs and the marks i
heard were generous, as one of my acquaintance got 93, highest ever
mark i have heard of

g. Vibration also made a good showing with 71.87% passing percentage.
This is highest for vibration in last 6 semesters.

h. Aerodynamics one was a shocker this time, as only 3 out of 52 who
appeared passed. Looking at the data, you Will learn that aeroone has
the distinction of being the subject with highest ever pass outs of
AeSI, which was in dec 2003, got 90.47% passed in this subject.

i. With an average of 56.87%, aerodynamics stream for the first time
has overtaken the passing percentage of propulsion stream, which for
this semester stands at its lowest 43.36%!!

j. Compared to all the passing percentages for last 6 semesters,
propulsion streams results this time were lowest.

Well, if this facts enlightens you, i am sure the graphs that follows
will add more to your understandings, so take a look.

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Someone asked me "why do you do it?" well i do it because it give
answers, nay stupid answer. I do it because i love doing it. Please
don't forget to send your "hate mails" i love receiving them, they
decorate my email!!! :)

enjoy
sukhbinder

ps: The graphics takes sometime to load if your connection is slow, be patient.

You cannot control the wind but you can always adjust the sail

You cannot control the wind but you can always adjust the sail. -unknown

Loved this great quote!! It's sums up what you can do when you AeSI
hands a totally unexpected ugly surprise!!

I have gone through this when in VMD paper I was sure I will get
around 80 and AeSI slamed fail!! Was devatated. Back fired for
recunting but no change was the response.

This is when my mom said something similar that the above quote
expresses.

Many senior members of aesi are working on improving the unexpected
surprises so till then learn to adust the sails!! Set them in such a
way that whatever be the wind your boat sails to the coast!!

Read more about passing aesi by clicking the following link

Http://my-aesi.blogspot.com/search?q=clear+aesi

Waiting for aesi exam results read this inspiring email from Bishnujee

Are you waiting for the AeSI exams results. I think everyone who has given AeSIexams in June 2008 is waiting for them. A while back bishnujee mailed an inspiring email regarding this time. So i am re printing it here as it contains some solid advice that every AeSI students should keep in mind.

Many happy returns of the day. I know you guys must be waiting for your results anxiously at moment because AeSI results are around the corner. Just advise for you guys that if you pass the subject,get going with your next target and if you miss any subject,just forget that if you have appeared before in that subject and start as fresh.I know it too difficult to prepare again.Then AeSI Coursework is made like that and sometimes if you are unlucky you might get question on calculations from Rocket propulsion which you will struggle to locate in any book. I am aware of that. Hopefully this sort of error in question paper is supposed to be sorted out in future.

Also another thing I wish to inform you guys just when I advise you regarding studies or placement or how to go about doing with it in your career. Its only my personal experience and it upto you to follow it in your life or not. I advise based on my past experience since I did my AeSI ,after my X standard when I when I was still studying for XI,I appeared in Studentship Examination and got success with it in AeSI when I passed all 5 subjects at one go and still was in XI.So I didn't look back and went ahead with Section A where I had measure how much study was expected of me and I went ahead that time with passing Section A in June and December session together in 1 year and then Section B in 3 Semester. Thus due to shortage of time frame,I may had to put that extra bit effort to make up by studying prolonged hours which scared my best friends. Then things never come easy in life and we all have to do very hard work. Always do take pride in whatever you do in life. I have seen that those qualities make you competitive in life and its very important that you build up this quality in life because its foundation of success and how you do well in life in future.


AeSI or any institute is not good or bad,its the student who studies is good or bad and make marks in Aerospace community by his dedication.If you study honestly towards your goal,no one can stop you from achieving your aim. Just message to all AeSI students and Engineer that I am always there behind you in all your mission and goals. Always remember that on 10 Nov 2003 one AeSI Engineer was recipient of restigious British Cayley Award 2003 chosen by all British Aerospace Industries together from Her Majesty Queen at Buckingham Palace in London.That was the most memorable day in my life and its always once in life time achievement which every Aerospace Engineer dreams of.

Best wishes to all of you

Bishnujee Singh

Also Read : 3 steps to jump start your semester

3 ways to beat AeSI's uncertainty!!

As you begin your journey with AeSI for yet another semester, here are
3 things to keep in mind that will help you beat AeSI's uncertainty!!

Do not believe in the previous years question papers, instead use a
syllabus book. Just studying with an eye on the previous years
questions is sure shot way of drowning. Instead use syllabus book to
guide you, what to study. Use the question papers to regularly check
your progress.

Go under the topics. Study with your mind.
Just mugging up all the topics, without understanding anything won't
help you. A all night haul before the exam may cruise you out of that
exam, but in the long run, you will need that knowledge if you want to
be an engineer. So study with your mind. Understand and study.

Be prepared. AeSI's is like a tenis match where they want to exhaust
you. They want you to loose, they want to out play you. Just knowing
this and keeping this in mind while studying and preparing for it can
help you in tackling the odd ball serves, that AeSI dishes out!!

So don't let AeSI to exhaust you, throw you off balnce and score
against you. Beat the odds by preparations!!

Good luck!!

For more techniques on studying for AeSI, please find the previous
posts on this topic via the following link http://my-aesi.blogspot.com/search?q=passing+aesi&max-results=100

The Problems with AeSI degree!!!

In Orkut's AeSI's community, Mr. Nilesh has posted some valid points which I couldn't resist myself in posting here. In this points he states his view on why AMAeSI degree is not the right choice.

My views are similar and if someone will ask me point blank "If I were your brother, will you recommend this degree to me?" My answer will be no.

Don't get me wrong, I am proud of the degree, I have worked for it and have attained it and have told many times that aerospace engineers coming out of AeSI are the best Indian aerospace professionals that you will meet. Many more people have accentuated this fact, but then the way whole examination system and what Nilesh has rightly put  "Erratic question papers, puzzling evaluation and results " I don't think i can recommend my brother or cousin to face that. Sometimes it feels worse than a lottery.

Anyway, here's what Nilesh has to say.....

 

Hello All,

This is not against anybody neither I want to argue with anybody here. I think new students who wish to join this course should know some facts and figures before they join this, unlike many of us who didn't knew anything at all.


Major Disadvantages


1. It is not exactly like a regular BE degree in spite is has been given "equivalent" to BE status. This creates lot of problems.


2. Though the course is not "correspondence" officially it is neither a full time regular course.


3. No strategy on examinations, how many students to be passed or about the criteria for evaluation/grace markings.


4. No set up for Jobs to students.


5. Erratic question papers, puzzling evaluation and results add to its uselessness.


6. No guarantee of how many years you will need to do this degree.


7. Even after you pass out life is a struggle for first year at least.


Now considering the Industry in India, and the job scene as well as admission scene at various engineering colleges/universities, getting job after a "regular degree" has become very easy. Many companies come on the campus and students are getting jobs in their third years.


So ,


1, If you are a good student then why do you wish to take the path which is not only difficult but uncertain where you could have a safe and successful career otherwise.


2. If you think you are not a good student, then beware, this isn't an easy course.


Two main reasons i see many people take this course are


a.) its cheap


b.) Admission is very easy.


If your main reason is above the two, rethink before you join the course.


I do not mean to discourage students who are already doing or wish to join this course, but its always good to know facts how ever bitter they are.


All the best,


Nilesh.

He also adds

But a simple analysis can give you a picture of AeSI degree.

1. Campus jobs:


There are around 27 states in India, so around the 50 technical universities/institutes with hundreds of Engineering colleges in each state. Just try to find how many colleges in your city offer campus placements. See if prestigious/popular and renowned colleges offer campus placement. So in short check whether you are in majority or minority?


2. Passing it in time:


How many students clear this course in fours years every term?? Check out the stats.. during my time (batch) I know of only 1 person who did it in 4 years against around 1000 students who registered. So, does that mean all the 999 are incapable of doing AeSI?? and if so then the next question you should ask is are you in that one or 999 persons?


3. About AeSI administration:


I don't need to say anything on this. It's worst admin of all I have seen till date. Besides, try contacting few companies/seniors to know how many companies/organizations accept this course as a BE course and give jobs to AeSI people.

Anyway's, I am not here to benefit myself from anybody doing or not doing AeSI. I sincerely feel many people lack awareness and this are my two cents.


Wish you guys all the best.

So tell me, what do you think?

Section-A AeSI results analysis

Last month by this date AeSI announced its exams for the june 2008 session of AMAeSI exams. As all of you know i follow this results closely and here is an animation of AeSI exams results for section A for the modified syllabus of AeSI





Notice the peaks are for june 2008, indication that generally the results were better than the last two semester.

By no means this graphs so proper results but they show a genral tred and mark the number of students passing a particular subject.

Since AeSI has stopped publishing the number of students appeared, so this graph simply shows a trend.

Following are the subjects that the picture above shows
MICROPROCESSORS AND SOFTWARE ENGINEERING
BASIC ELECTRONICS
WORKSHOP TECHNOLOGY
INTRODUCTION TO AERONAUTICS
APPLIED MATHEMATICS - I
FLUID MECHANICS
STRENGTH OF MATERIALS
ENGINEERING THERMODYNAMICS
ENGINEERING DRAWING AND DESIGN
ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING

DRDO SET interview questions for mechanical

I don't know what has happened? When i was aesi student, every year DRDO SET figured in our discussion and ouraesi had the same share of discussions but for last couple of years it has totally diappeared from an aesi student's life. I mean i have not heard anyone talking about it, there is no mention of it the ouraesi club.

Can anyone reading this update me, what's going on in regards to DRDO SET? Can an aesi folk give the DRDO SET test? I know he can. So why is the group and aesi folks silent about it. Why no discussuion. Has DRDO gone out of aesi's folks radar?

Anyway, i was browsing though my old harddisk, back from my aesi days, i found this good interview summary. It was stored as a plain text file in my computer, so i have no idea where i got this from, if someone knows the person do let me know i will mention the credits.


Basically the guy who wrote this was doing mechnical engineerring and these is the synapsis of the whole DRDO interview process that he went through after passing DRDO SET exams.


DURATION ½ HOUR
PANEL: 5 BOARD MEMBERS & A CHAIRMAN

Chairman:
1. When you have completed your graduation?
2. Where you are working now?
3. What are your favorite subjects?
1) Machine design
2) Thermodynamics

Board member 1:
1. You have to design a spring. What types of stresses are induced in spring?
2. Can you show the distribution of stresses?
3. What is elastic constant?
4. On what thermodynamic cycle nuclear power plant works?
5. Name fuels used in nuclear power plant?
6. What is enrichment of fuel in nuclear power plant?
7. What is breeder reactor?
8. If I want to set a power plant in desert of ‘Rajasthan’ and I have option of steam and gas power plant. Which plant I should set up?

Board member 2:
1. What is mean by failure in design?
2. You have to design a machine component. For what type of failure (ductile or brittle) you will design?
3. On what property u can distinguish material as brittle or ductile?
4. What is strength based and deformation based design?
5. What is mean twist of shaft?
6. Whether ductile material can fail in brittle manner? When?
7. What is the behavior of metal at low temperature?

Board member 3:
1. Wha=t do you mean by tolerances?
2. What do you mean by fits?
Board member 4:
1. What is entropy?
2. Can u give example of increase of entropy?
3. What is zero entropy?
Board member 1:
1. If a mother kisses her baby whether entropy in process increases?
Chairman:

1. What is absolute entropy?
2. On which thermodynamics cycle cooling towers works?
3. Where throttling process is used?
4. Throttling is which thermodynamic process/
5. Whether temperature increases or decreases after throttling?
6. Why there is change in temperature though mass is constant?

Board member 5:
1. What is ideal fluid?

Chairman:
A metal rod is heated in furnace. It is now allowed to cool in ambient environment. One time it is hanged vertically and in second case horizontally. In which case it will cool faster?


My Comment:
This was not a stress interview. They listen me patiently. Whenever I said I don’t know the answer they have provide me clue for answer.


Well that's it. So what can we aesi folks can learn from the whole script. What is your favourite subject is one of the important question in any technical interviews and more so if you are a fresher. This is where the whole technical interview revolves. See how many questions are centred around the answer the guy gave about his fav subjects.

In my next post i will post another DRDO interview that was posted in ouraesi long back in 2003. There are lot to learn from it, not only about the DRDO interview process but also about interview handling techniques in general.

Which is the best study center for AeSI?

Recently in OURAeSi and in AeSI groups, this is the hot topic is regarding the best study center for AeSI! I think it will interesting to highlight some of the good points there, so here it is.


Setu Desai began the debate by asking the following question...

I am going to join Indian Institute of Aeronautical Engineering at Dehradun.There are two corses "Aeronautical Engineering" & "Aircraft Engineering" I want to know difference between this two.

Mr Desai,
Instead of joining at Dehradun, and getting your time and money wasted I would suggest "Ganesh Institute of Engineering, 71/6, Goods Shed Road, Adambakkam,Chennai- 88 (Tamil Nadu)"

The Courses you asked for :
Aeronautical Engineering : This is a graduate course (A.M.Ae.S.I. ), whose examining body is "The Aeronautical Society of India, 13B IP estate New Delhi"

Aircraft Maintainanace Engg : Its diploma course through which a candidate becomes a specialized maintainance engineer after passing the prescribed subjects and successfully gaining the stipulated period of experience at Airports/maintainan ce workshops

If you want to go for AMAeSI course than there is no other better place than Ganesh institute, Chennai (gie-1978@eth. net; )

Best Wishes
Shashank Sharma

Hi,
Its really disappointing to note that so many AeSI Engineers who are based in India have been unable to come up with decent Study center with practical labs facility in one of location in India where maximum students can benefit from such venture.There is no point of running Institutions without proper lab facility like any Engineering Colleges.So far only HIET,Chennai has labs of some standard for new syllabus of AeSI.I am not sure about labs facility of other Colleges running AeSI programmes in India.
I hope it helps.
Best wishes
Bishnujee Singh

Hi,
Don't go there. I studied there. The institute does not provide good knowledge.
Exam will be in Delhi. Better to go chennai. Ganesh institute of engineering, St. Thomas mount, Chennai. This is very cheap & best amount all other institute.
all the best

Hi,
I studies AMAeSI in Indian insitute of Aeronautical engineering (IIAE), Dehradun & Ganesh institute of Engineer (GIE), Chennai. I found that student passed from IIAE paid very high amount of fees, does not get guidance & competition amount the group. You may be only single who pass section -A in IIAE. I saw 90% student who left AMAeSI without clearing any subject, Where as in GIE, I found that few of candidate have finish their degree (AMAeSI) in 2.5 years followed by 3 years to maximum four years. Very few about 10% candidate may left without even single subject.
regards


Vasudevan asked ...


Dear sirs,

I have finished my 12th std this year with good marks.I am from Chennai.Joining Aeronautical engineering was my ambition right from my young age and i joined that group in Hindustan university Chennai. Many people are saying that i have taken a wrong decision by joining that college because it has become a deemed one this year only. I have paid fees and my coll is going to open shortly.Now my family members also started thinking that way.Please make me clear.I have heard many people saying that my coll has the best lab facilities for this branch.Please tell about my college and also my decision.I am pretty confused right now.Please Help.
V.Shraveen

Bishnujee Singh replied...

Dear Vasudevan,
I don't think you have made any mistake by joining there.Till you study honestly for your Aeronautical Engineering Degree ,you should be fine in your prospective career.No schools or colleges study,its the student who studies honestly and with utmost dedication shines in there future career.
Please remain focused in your studies,that is most important thing in your life.
Best wishes

Jannani Ameer's reply

Mr.Shraveen ,I am jannani doing my final year B.E Aeronautical in Hindustan Coimbatore.You need not regret for your decision. Don't care about others telling you about this course or your college.Among some of the colleges in TN your colleges is the best for Aeronautical Eng. So don't bother about people who says tat u r wrong.Wat u have to do now is don't expect ur coll or ur professors to feed u the syllabus.Instead ,be advanced,gather the materiales and start studying on your own. maintain at least 75% consistently.Be confirm in what branch u r interested (designing,maintenance,space,pilot training,air force) and work for tat right from now. If u want any help via this field you can contact me.I ll try my best to help u.Wish u good luck.

I personally recommend GIE as its the best in terms of studies and most of the past and present students of AeSI are from there only!!

Related : FAQ about AMAeSI

Send Resumes For Planned Placement Drive

Hi All

As a social responsibility towards employment, AeSI Bangalore Branch in association with Society of Indian Aerospace Technologies and Industries (SIATI) , Aeromag Asia &  AeSI - Alumni Association is planning to organize a placement drive at CIT campus for Aerospace / Aviation sciences & Allied engineering branch students from AeSI Associate Membership Examination as well as from other AICTE approved institutions.

Inline with the AeSIAA's mission to promote welfare of AeSI students and graduates, AeSI Alumni Association invites resumes from all recent graduates of AeSI for short listing for this drive,

Please send your resumes to secretary.aesiaa@gmail.com with the following as the subject line.

Subject: [Stream][Overall Percentage][Year of Passing][Mobile no]

For example:

Subject: [Avionics][73%][2013][97123456]

Please send resume in doc Format.

Date : To Be Announced

Venue : Cambridge Institute of Technology , K.R. PURAM, BANGALORE,KARNATAKA 560036

Please Note: 

1. Any email without the correct subject and Resume will not be part of the drive.
   
2. Last date for sending the resume is 22nd March 2014 (Saturday)

When in section A, don’t worry about jobs and all

Section B marks the greatest change in an AeSI students life. I remember when I crossed section A, I was the happiest person on earth that day. It felt like that. After all, this was the change that I was expecting for a while then.

This step meant great to me as this brought me closure to the completion of AMAeSI degree. Crossing over to this side of AeSI degree meant I was just a few steps away from being an aeronautical engineer. It meant being close to the freedom of earning my own money, it meant I was closer to be working at an aerospace organization.

So what were the thoughts that went to my mind. The prominent thought that I remember was about learning catia, as this was only cad software that I heard about back then, it meant looking at the kind of jobs available in the market for aerospace. The thought of the training or job decision also went through my mind

What's the point I want to make, when you are in section A, don't worry about job prospect, skills development, jobs outlook, training or any other thing. Just study and hook your attention to getting good marks and passing section A. Don't burn yourself in any other tension.

Section B and most importantly the last two semester of AeSI are the best time when you need to think of jobs, skills development, training etc. So till then enjoy your studies. Learn what you read, expand your knowledge, improve your communication skills and  essentially have masti.

Treat your journey of AeSI like a marathon, start slow and steady. Don't burn up all your fuel in the initial legs. Keep them for the last two semester of AeSI. Till then expand your knowledge, do interesting projects, build networks, grow your subject knowledge etc.

Being a rocket is not what is required. Be a jet engine first.

Related stuff:

• Is this your last or second last semester in AeSI
• 3 Ways to Jump Start Your Semester
• Communication Is the Key to Success

How to pass aesi exams ? -from ouraesi

This is the month when OURAeSI was born 6 years ago, so i was just looking at some of the great posts in ouraesi group for the students and i found this gem of a post from the achieves of OURAeSI. It is written by Sunil and i agree with him about the part where he mentions solving lot of problems. Do read his post here which he aptly names as How to pass exams?


I suggest all great AerosocietIans to help there juniors to share
there experiences in this message group. The main idea is to get
some masala to juniors, which helps them in passing Aero.

In this regard, I suggest juniors not only study to pass
examinations, but to understand the phenomenon or theory behind the
problems of the subject. Although this is well known to lot of
persons but still many have problems in passing examinations. I dont
point to there hard work, since most of peoples work hard but the
right approach is missing.

For example: I came across guys during my society, who spend 20 hrs
of there day in solving lot of problems of various books but don't
understand the theory or idea behind the topic. Solving lot of
problems gives you confidence for sure, but sometime it is not
useful since in Exams probability of repeating questions with same
variables is less. This may be only general comment since i don't
know the ongoing pattern.

Also i may not be fully correct and lot of peoples wont agree from
me, but that is the motivation from my side to other peoples to
share there experiences. Which for sure will help juniors pass there
examinations and build a base for there further studies or future
work.

Take care
Sunil

Related links you might like

5 tips for studying for exams
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After exams what?
6 lessons from last semester
Lessons from propulsion 2 exams
Secret of clearing AeSI!

Visit www.aesi.org or http://www.csirwebistad.org/aesi/ for the examination dates.

How i cleared my Workshop technology exams in AeSI

Perhaps in section A of aeronautical syllabus of AeSI,workshop technology is the most feared subjects after principle of flights. Feared in the sense that the passing percentage of this subjects is very low.

In my days of AeSI, after clearing WT and hearing something from our maths faculty at GIE, i wrote a piece on How to pass WT exam. I am reprinting it here as i see that this is still relevant and aesi students will benefit from it applying it to any other subjects of AMAeSI exams.


Last Friday in our maths class, our maths teacher Mr. Sajath, pointed
out that "...the examiner won't take the pain of checking it
again !" He said that if an answer is not clear and not complete or
the answer is one step short of the answer he has in his hand and the
handwriting is not legible, then the examiner who is perhaps checking
100's of copies won't bother but mark the answer incomplete and move
on!. This remark set my thoughts in this direction.

Well thinking from the point of view of examiner, i think i will also
do the same if i am the examiner. Its natural that when he
encounter's bad handwritting, he will get irritated and won't bother
checking it. So what do we do ?

Why not capitalize on this trait of the examiner. I mean why not use
this fact to our favour. Why not aim to submit our answer sheet as
the neatest copy that the examiner receives !! This has advantages.
The examineer will pleased to see a neat copy. It known fact that
good handriting brings good feelings. Ya its true. Observe your
reaction when you see really nice and tidy work. Well the examiner is
also a human, so tidy answer sheet will set the right first
impression on the examiner's mind. Other advantage will be that you
yourself will not have difficulty revising your work if it is well
paragraphed and neatly written.

YA i am not babling i am taking from experience. Now after that
remark when i thought of my exams i felt how true the statement was
because my workshop tecnology exam is an example. I know my friends
who gave exams with me were much more proficient in theory and were
more capable but what cleared me was my neat work. That exams i
conciously made my work neat and loo my WT paper was cleared. Well
another example was Thermo exam!!

As i write this i can see a quote on my mousepad. It says

GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT.
BETTER THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO TRY.

How true. So its your turn now, you can wait for good things or by
trying get the better thing.

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NARIC UK Certificate of British Bachelor(Honors) Degree in Engineering for AeSI Degree holders

This is from Mr Bishnujee Singh and i hope it will be useful for AeSI graduates.

Dear AeSI Graduates,

Graduates passing out of Aeronautical Society of India are requested to apply for NARIC UK Letter of Comparabilty and NARIC UK Certificate of British Bachelor (Honors) Degree in Engineering for AeSI Degree holders.Its very valuable document and Certificate issued by NARIC on behalf of UK Government Department of Education,Work & Skills .Also its not very expensive process.AeSI Degree holders advised not to use my NARIC UK Certificate or FEANI Eur Ing Certificate as Group and Companies in Western world take it very seriously violation of privacy and may lead to denial in numerous places due to this issue.Always please use your own NARIC UK British Bachelor(Honors) Degree in Engineering certificate issued in your own name instead of some one else.These documents will be useful in numerous places in your future career.

More details available on http://www.naric.org.uk

All the best and good luck!

Thanks Bishnujee.

Everything else is just noise

"Everything else is just noise"

Read this beautiful quote and immediately loved it. Be worried and
concerned about your studies when you are in aesi. Read study and
write; that's what I want to tell you. Everything else is just noise.
Noise!!!

Learning a software, training, experiments with practical are all none
if you don't pass papers. Its no big deal if you are stuck in clearing
the papers. And for that you have to read, write and study.

Study hard and play. Don't worry about the distractions. Keep your
focus on passing AeSI with good marks and every thing else will follow.

So focus.

Why I don't pass a subject in AeSI?

I don't know. But let's me share what I did when I didn't pass.

After blasting aesi for the result, I usually turned to my own short coming.

And to my surprise I always found that there were some things that I would have done better. I was never able to outrightly blame aesi for my failure. A shadow of doubt always remained that I had lacked somewhere. I missed something.

But the act of thinking back and trying to ascertain the reason of my failure surely helped me see the cracks in my own study system. I learnt from them and finally I did pass those subjects.

So all I can suggest you guys and gals is once the amaesi aesi results are in. Take stock on what you did right and what went wrong? Why you failed? What you did in your passing subject and what you didn't in the failed subject?

An hour of this can go a long way in improving your studies.

Share your views. They are always welcome.

The Pareto principle and AeSI Results

The Pareto principle (also known as the 80-20 rule) states that, for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. And this is true for AeSI's AMAeSI results too.

As I saw the June 2009 results of section A of AeSI, I found that close to 80% pass outs were from roughly 20% of the subjects. As I plotted the results on a pareto plot, whose purpose is to highlight the most important among set of factors, I found the subjects of basic electronics, fluid mechanics and strength of materials taking the lead, while Electrical Engineering, Introduction to Aeronautics, microprocessor and software engineering and applied mathematics lag behind and having the lowest passing percentage this semester.

So what does this mean? what does it point to? what does it show? Which are the subjects that you should concentrate?

Use this knowledge to improve your results. Work hard on the easy subjects to get the highest marks and in the difficult once work hard to understand the underlying concepts. Practise more for the hard subjects. allocate more time to them, discuss these subjects more.

The Pareto Principle also applies to a variety of more mundane matters: one might guess approximately that we wear our 20% most favoured clothes about 80% of the time, perhaps we spend 80% of the time with 20% of our acquaintances, etc.

Read more about pareto principle and pareto Chart by clicking the following links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_chart

Confused. Broken. Fragmented.

Confused. Broken. Fragmented.

Don't let this following phases describe your knowledge of what you
have studied in AeSI!!

Study with an understanding that you will need the knowledge that you
are studying. Know for certain that the knowledge of stress strain,
cycles, performance, gas dynamics etc. is not only needed for passing
the exams but will come handy once you get into the industry.

Most of the people I have met have fragmented and broken knowledge. So
whenever you are dealing with a topic make it a point that you learn
and understand the core concepts of it. Learn it in such a way so that
you can explain it coherently to someone or apply it when need arises.

Recently I had a similar experience and thanks to aesi, I had that
topic crystal clear eteched in my mind and out of the blue I was able
to convey it to a group of professionals the core of it and as I
perceived this simple act of mine uped my standing.

So pay attentions to the topics you are currently studying, don't
think they are only for the exams, learn then and understand then as
you might have to teach them.

Make a resolve now while still in aesi, that whatever you study, you
won't have it broken or fragmented!!

You don't launch a high flying career....

You don't launch a popular blog, you build one.

You don't launch a high flying career, you create one.

You don't build world class products in a day, you evolve them.

You don't become expert in a day; you become one over a long haul.

iPhone was not built in a day, neither was the gas turbine engine, nor was the mission to moon a success from day one and Sachin Tendulkar didn't become world class player with one match.

Each of this took countless hours, enduring effort and untiring commitment.

Same goes for passing AeSI exams, for getting that first job, creating a successful blog and creating a product.

Nothing comes in one shot, everything happens drip by drip. So the best strategy is to begin building your career, blog, expertise and product now. Build it daily and in some years you will have something that will be greater than the effort you have put.

Last & Final Call for SAM-2012 [Kind Attn: STUDENTS]

Dear Students,

AeSI Alumni Association (AeSIAA) is pleased to organize the 1st Student-Alumni-Meet (SAM) at Bangalore, in association with The Aeronautical Society of India, Bangalore Branch. This event is organized with the motive of promoting interaction between our students and alumni (Student & Graduate members of AeSI).

 

Alumni Interactions consists of many useful programs such as talks by distinguished alumni and corporate personalities and direct non-monetary help from alumni like sharing their experience in their area of expertise, providing opportunities to students in form of internships, work-visits, workshops, informal placement information talks and many more.

Alumni Talks - Questions about what stream to choose, the growth and prospects in any sector become the thoughts that hound everyone. To help students overcome these uncertainties, alumni are invited to give an informal talk on their respective sectors, enlightening the students about the career choices and what they are in for in that line of work.

Panel Discussion - A panel consisting of alumni, faculty and student representative is invited to discuss on a student centric topic. We wish to hold a discussion on a topic with far reaching consequences. SAM will be a platform for alumni to gather and discuss and debate on topics that matter. Suggestions are precious and we welcome any thoughts and ideas students may have during this event.

Mock interview (through Workshop on Soft Skills )- We are planning this event with the vision that passing out students (during June-12 Session results) can be benefited by experiencing mock interviews by alumni before they sit for their actual interviews.

Please refer the attached documents on take-away for students from SAM & more.....

 

We seek your participation and invite you to take part in the event on 25Aug, 2012 at Rolls-Royce Auditorium, Bangalore at 10:00am. We hope to have a great event on Saturday and we are also looking forward to more such Meets in future.  

 

All participating students are requested to register here: http://aesiaa.org/aesiaasam.html

The details of the event can also be looked up on: http://aesibangalore.org/news.html

AeSIAA Google Group for up-to date information: https://groups.google.com/group/aesiaa?hl=en

 

There is no entry fee/registration fee. SAM is our first event of this kind and it's a child in the process of growing. So we request you to send in suggestions and feedback aplenty to help us grow and deliver to your expectations.

Warm Regards,

Rakesh Kumar

Hon. Secretary, For AeSI Alumni Association (AeSIAA)

--
Please join Alumni Association officially by applying for the membership. For further details please visit the Alumni Association web site.
www.aesiaa.org
 
All suggestions can be addressed to feedback@aesiaa.org
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.co.in/group/aesiaa?hl=en-GB

Topper's View for AeSI

Congrats to Mr Saurav Thapa for getting highest marks in P2 (95) and in Design (71) .

Below I am posting his story in his own word.

saurav thapa said...

i have a great experience to share here. this time i sat for three papers p1,p2 and design. in my life i never thought of getting above 70 marks in aesi papers. passing was my main aim. but by my little labour and my teachers' great help i have become able to score 95 in p2. its the all india highest marks in p2 this session. also i scored 71 in design which is also the all india highest in that paper. now i am one paper short of the aesi degree i.e. management and my average % till date is 65%.

what i want to tell is that if you work hard to get anything, there is no force in this universe that can stop you from propelling forward. im sure this is not just my story. everyone has a similar story. please share and keep others inspired.

Thanks Saurav for sharing this with us.

Hope you had like this...

If you have similiar experience than please do share with us in comment section.

Thanks for reading.

Modi Priteshkumar Mahendrakumar
M.Tech.(aerospace) IIT kharagpur

Is it mandatory to pass AeSI with 60%?

A few days back I got this email from someone whom I will call Mr. R

"Is it mandatory to pass ae.s.i with 60% of marks in total to secure a
job.....i am really in frustration as i am passing paper smoothly but
fail to get 60% marks or above in every subject......pls pls pls help
me!!! "

Here's my reply.

Hi R

60% is like a lubricant. If you have it, it will be great. If you don't, then don't worry much about it.

60% is the threshold for govt jobs and having it adds confidence in your resume.

So if you are falling short on the percentage, please concentrate on increasing your confidence with other means like supercharging your skills, or by becoming a good communicator.

There are two ways you can react now?
Go crazy and mad about aesi or understand that 60% helps but life doesn't stop if you don't have it.

Please search through http://my-aesi.blogspot.com and you will find many posts that answers this and many other questions.

Good luck

What are your thoughts on this topic, what advice would you give to Mr. R, please do let me know in comments.

Remember this thing after you pass out from AeSI

i have written on stuff of what to do while in AeSI,but in this post i will talk of what should one do after passing. what happens when you pass out. you are happy and ready for training or job that might come your way. Some get training from AeSI and some like me managed to get it on their own initiative. What happens after this is what I want to talk.

The first month or so is great as you learn new software,learn to apply your knowledge and get a grove in the topic you are working on. In my case as I joined NAL,I was assigned to compressor design project. I liked the subject and from then on devoured the subject and any material regarding that topic,so with continued work my interest grew,i was doing well. I developed software to design compressor,validated it and as grew,i even designed it in CAD tool solidworks and this piqued my interest in CAD tools and I went into that direction,learning and doing all kind of crazy stuff in it.I was progressing,learning. so this continues,then comes a date when I felt my confidence is good and I began applying for jobs actively. Make no mistake I did that before also but only this time I had real work and my resume showed my confidence. So as expected got though the call and I get invitation for the interview. This is where I felt things are not as rosy as I think they were looking. During the interview I saw I had good knowhow on compressor design but when it came to topics I studied in flights, my memory failed me,I am giving the right answers but I am not sure if the answer I gave is right. So after coming out of that interview I realized that for a person starting only good at one topic is not enough, you are expected to be good in the topics that you have studied